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If you hate being debt-free, you can always get back in

listen if you hate it if you hate being debt free you can always get back in goor that's what you choose and that's the life you want you can always do it but there's something about living in this mentality when you don't owe someone anything nothing it's just a few of those decisions painful hard decisions sometimes when you're in the midst of it but it's just saying hey this this and this for a period of time and that's the problem John I think is that people they're comfortable where they are and it kind of is working I mean you know what I mean like this is a great example I'm like yeah $28,000 car loan $28,000 St I we could kind of just truck along pay you know an extra thousand a month you know and you're in it for for three four years and it's oh man I need new tires well you can just Finance those just kind of like go along and then you look up it's been five years and you're like we've made I've made no progress like and I dug my whole deeper right yeah that's right that's right so the habits you guys if you're not happy with the situation you're in financially that means the way you're handling money the way you're viewing it it has to change

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YOU are the best cash-back program that exists

I interviewed an ex-employee at Capital One okay and she told me they run thousands and thousands of experiments on humans to figure out what's going to get them to spend more right and so what they found is hey instead of it being cashed back we should make it points cuz then you go I have 100,000 points I'm winning oh that's $100 whoops and oh I can only use it on these certain dates and these certain flights and I can only go to Boise in July and so there's all kinds of stipulations with points shout out to Boise love you guys big fans but there's always going to be a trap and if you think you're winning that's what they want you to think yeah they want you to think man I'm really sticking it to them I'm making so much money off of American Express and Discover card and what I found is you are the best cash back program that exists

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Quit Listening to Those Idiots!

[Music] brought to you by the every dooll app start budgeting for free today Paul is with us in Minneapolis hey Paul welcome to the Ramsey Show hey Dave thanks for taking the call I have another should we pay off the house early out of our retirement question for you okay why is this one different um well we're my wife and I are both retired uhhuh I'm I'm 61 she's 58 we retired with the mortgage mhm and I've got a number of differing opinions from our financial guy I've Got Friends that work in the finance industry I worked for a banking 30 years and um I guess just looking for another opinion maybe one with a little bit more Credence than some of the others I guess okay so how much do you ow in your home uh so it's a $450,000 house we owe 170 and how much do you have in your nest what's that how much what's your net worth what do you have in your nest EG um net worth is about a million and a quarter we've got just over a million of that is uh investment and retirement if your house was paid off if your house was paid off why would you go borrow on it uh we would not then what's the difference I I gu it's just okay let me rephrase the question maybe a a better question is if we decide to do this is it a process over multiple years to ease a tax burden do we just bite the bullet and take the hit and do it once or how how would I do it I've been doing this 30 years I've never had anybody call me back and say they were pissed off because they paid off their house fair enough so one shot or would you uh I'd write a check today I'd be debt free I'd have been debt free yesterday if I were you and quit listening to all these idiots there's a lot of idiots out there running around with an opinion about your money and you're a millionaire what's your mortgage payment right I'll I'll go ahead what's your mortgage payment right now mortgage payment is what 1,200 okay you'd freay up most of that which then now you can invest so yes you'll lose some out of that investment account but you're going to still invest for the next 20 years dude you're just going to sleep so much better tomorrow I mean we're both retired so invest is rolling not necessarily additional you have almost zero risk in this situation because you could write a check at any minute and pay it off if you got in a pinch you don't really need the money in one way or the other it's all about you know what is your end goal when you're 85 do you want to have a mortgage you know why would you keep it there's no reason to keep it you wouldn't go borrow on a paid for house in order to have more money to invest and so write a check and sleep better tomorrow tonight tonight pay it off tonight hit the submit button and then when you go and you get the mortgage release in the mail make a copy of it take your shoes off walk into the backyard have a mortgage burning party and tell me that didn't feel good I mean there's just no there's just no downside to this um you know you're a millionaire you're going to you're going to be okay either way if you don't follow our advice if you follow those idiots advice but if I've got a financial person that's telling me to stay in debt I'm getting a new Financial person period because George we studied 10,167 millionaires the number of them that told us that they became wealthy because they borrowed on their home in order to invest was precisely zero none of them leveraged their personal residents to build their wealth none of them and so the idea that I continue to leverage my personal residence in the name of Building Wealth is asinine based on the millionaire data well we're seeing so much more of this because people have their record low mortgage rates they don't want to let go of Dave like why would I pay off my mortgage you know but I got your mortgage rate beat you know what my mortgage rate is zero I don't have one hello heck of a rate zero I got the best rate come on man so when go up and down you don't have to worry about them cuz you don't need debt anymore it's a great feeling instead of worrying about what the Market's doing so yes it hurts to write that check and lose that much money lose quote unquote but you never really had it if you owed it to the lender in the first place Paul pay it off son pay it off you you're there's a bunch of intangibles that you're not even considering in this decision you're still acting like it's primitive math um or at least the idiots advising you are so you you're going to sleep different your wife's going to look at you like a hero never never once have we had a wife said you know my husband borrowed deeply on our mortgage and he's my hero never came up I love the Kermit Vibes she had too there was great

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How To Know You’re Making a Stupid Financial Decision – Dave Ramsey Rant

[Music] foreign brought to you by the every dollar app start budgeting for free today when you find yourself making when here's some things that will tell you if you're making a wrong decision okay because making a wrong decision around money particularly like a car purchase or house purchase or something of the some other a big investment deciding to go into crypto deciding to do something stupid along you know getting out of where you're getting ready to set yourself back a decade by screwing up by making a bad decision see we always talk about wealth building and the things to do to build wealth I don't think we spend enough time probably on how to uh stupid proof ourselves so we don't do something stupid and offset all the good work we did right so one of the things I discovered about me and turns out it's true of everyone is that right before I right after I get desperate I get stupid and right after I get stupid I get broke you know what I'm saying there's a close connection when you feel desperation trapped I and you start your language will tell you that you're that way I was forced to we had no choice buy a car never in the history of human races have been true you were not forced they did not have a gun they don't do car reverse carjackings it doesn't happen right so it doesn't happen so you weren't forced you or in a desperate situation on transportation and so you Justified a dumb butt decision to go to The Tote The Note lot and pay double for the car at a 28 interest rate because you and then say but I was forced you weren't forced you were just stupid I've been stupid too right I just explained it right after I felt desperate and trapped okay and so when listen to your language and if your language is indicating a sense of being trapped a sense that there is no other options and in your language to yourself in this decision making or to your spouse who you're trying to talk into this is bizarre then that tells you that you're getting ready to screw up okay I'll give you another example we run into George every property for rent in x-town is four thousand dollars a month make up a number fill it in you can't find them they don't exist see these absolute hyperbole statements are indications that you feel desperate and stuck and so once you've decided inaccurately that every property for rent is four thousand dollars minimum in this town then you can justify buying something you shouldn't be buying at a point in your finances that you aren't ready to buy you see what I'm saying yeah so when you start making these fatalistic absolute statements that are that are overstated then and when you say if it sounds bizarre to you then that tells you you're there and that was my that was my question with my I I couldn't get it out of my mouth fast enough in that last call because we've been looking for a property in Texas for nine years okay that's just weird no you haven't or if you have you've got other issues other than property looking takes you a decade that it takes a decade in Texas to find something to live in that's just not true that's just that's that smacks of weirdness and uh desperation and you're getting ready to make a mistake but what that leads to then is I'm going to do a deal here that I know I shouldn't be doing because for nine years this is the only property see the see the you know how that comes out and I do that in my own head that's how I recognize the drama queen it lives in all of our heads and it's like you know I'm so stuck rental prices are so high I am forced to buy a house I can't afford while I have six hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt well that's just dumber and crap you know no it's just not true okay not true and and so oh the other one I love is um our house has mold our children will die if we stay here and the only property we can find to live in is sixty percent of our take-home pay these are our two options death of our children or bankruptcy these are two options because we forced ourselves in desperation into this false Narrative of fatalism that I'm stuck and the only way out is to go from one stupid horrible thing to another stupid horrible thing and I'm trying to justify it by saying it's the only option you see what I'm doing oh yeah and every time I do that in my head I have lost so much money I just every time that fear-based desperation leads you into that and and I get the these are the actual calls I get here you've heard them I'm getting triggered Dave my PTSD is coming back from the caller saying well there's no used cars under 25 000 so we had to finance one for 35 because what else are you gonna do yeah you're just stuck I mean because it's not not a used car anywhere all the used cars in America that's right now 25 000.

So when you start making these over the top crazy but statements what that states is not the actual fact what it indicates is your mindset is in desperation and stuck fatally there's a whiny toddler inside all of us we just want the new car just admit it you want the shinier newer car well yeah but admitting it would be dealing with me and I don't want to deal with me instead I would rather create this false Narrative of the marketplace is forcing me into doing things it's the economy High interest rates it's just ridiculous I mean it's forced me the only way I could go to school was to go four hundred thousand dollars of student loan debt it's the only way it's the only possible other than joining the military but only possible other than to say only other than other than other oh my God but the only part so now here I sit and Biden won't forgive them and so I'm screwed you know and now Sunday you have to start paying payments again not someday Sunday this coming Sunday so but yeah but but every time you say something with a bizarre set of overstatement that is indicating you're getting ready to make a mistake because I've done this I've done I'm not making fun of y'all if you've done it I'm not even making fun of our last caller I mean it was a little bit hard to keep up but I mean I but even even aside from that I she just was stuck and I want this and so I and I don't think I should be doing it it feels wrong but I've got to justify it with everything else out here all the three-story buildings and above are not safe uh they don't have licensed contractors you know all these other wild and crazy stories out here in there to justify the move and again that's not picking on her she's sweet lady she's trying to figure it out I appreciate her calling if you call I'll pick on you too but I'm picking on me and the same thing because I'll tell you man some of the dumbest butt stuff I've ever done is when I was in facing uh bankruptcy I got stuck in that and I thought there's no way out there's nothing I don't know what to do and I lost so stinking much money uh I made Decades of income evaporate in in single Strokes of the pen because I was desperate stuck and fixated and the one that goes with that also the sister to it is greed and when you get when you get all fired up and you're like oh I'm gonna but if okay if the system is broken yeah and the millennial can't get ahead then the millennial has to do something that's completely different crazy shortcut exactly I need a Tick-Tock life hack which is nothing down real estate velocity banking is what we all need velocity we need we need high speed stupidity High stupidity on high speed stupidity on caffeinated stupidity that's what it takes in today's world Dave yeah but it's so true most of the calls on the show is someone saying hey I've got option A and option b and they're both terrible what do I do and we say have you ever thought about option C or D no there's a lot of that and it involves you instead of a shortcut it involves that's how you know let me help you no is a possible answer no it looks like the only car you can find that suits your needs is 25 000 and you're broke uh answers no and it's a complete sentence no it's an interesting sound two letters the silence that follows it is definitely no this is the Ramsey Show

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How do I become wealthy?

what's the best way for me to to get wealthy like like I don't want to say rich but like wealthy is like the best way be very intentional with your money most people just kind of wander along and then wonder what happened and if you'll just be very intentional then that will lead you to doing a budget that will lead you to living on less than you make that will lead you to generosity that will lead you to avoiding debt uh that will lead you to investing and those are the keys to Building Wealth but no one does that accidentally no one wins the Super Bowl on accident it's an intentional act and so just by asking the question you've started that process of being intentional

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“You Make WAY Too Much Money To Be This Broke!”

[Music] brought to you by the every dooll app start budgeting for free today Joe Is With Us in Springfield Hey Joe welcome to the Ramsey Show Dave thank you for taking my call sure what's up I've been listening to you often on last couple years it hasn't a lot of things haven't soaked in but the other day you said that nobody should own a new truck unless they have a net worth of a million and they're debt free well I bought a new one earlier this year and so my question number one is should I sell that truck and downgrade get something a little bit more economical so that I can pay it off how much do you owe uh 43 no 42 and some change so 43 what's your household income 220 210 and you don't have any money no I have uh I have about 40 in the bank right now how long youve been making that kind of money oh years you're making good money why do you not have any well my wife kind of lives YOLO I kind of live like hey we might live to be 500 and it's just it's been 15 years of just kind of we've sat down and we've put budgets together and it just it it doesn't stick on one end and it does on one and uh I've just kind of learned to compromise to keep the marriage happy and uh but the marriage isn't happy man I can hear it on you it's frustrating I mean I love her to death wouldn't trade her for nothing but it's frustrating well you know when you have a divided house um you know like I hate Christmas I hate it um you know we spend $4,000 every year in Christmas and it's to people and friends and and every year we argue about it and it just gets me where I just hate Christmas you know because I know we're just going to blow a bunch of money and we shouldn't and we don't have to yeah you know you you move on you know you can either dwell on it or you can just move on and and then and then you borrowed 40,000 on a truck yeah yes well I I'm a sales guy so I have to have a truck that's less than three years old and so many miles I get paid 850 a month for my truck allowance whether you have a car payment or not that's right and that's where I would rather tuck to 850 and throw it on the house we're in a great situation on the house house is worth about six six and a quarter we're down to about 270 on it okay um Joe Joe the the truck the truck needs to be paid off or it needs to be sold but it's 10% of your problem okay the problem that's screaming at me in this conversation is you make way too much money to be this broke I agree and you guys have really got to sit down and address that you're just you're you're just a quarter no you haven't you because just not fixed what do you but what do you do I think you need if you can't if you and your wife can't sit down and dream about a future that you're willing to control yourselves for cuz you're not controlling yourselves you're you have no self-control in your household and if you the two of you can't find a house a dream in in high definition that the two of you can agree to that is worth working towards together and worth not spending everything we make to cause it to happen then you do need to sit down with a marriage counselor if that's the case often High performing High earning folks sit down and have this conversation as a math problem honey we make this much money we got to make a budget know I have one I have an Excel sheet I can show you I know you do here's what I'm telling you there's a different conversation when you sit down with your wife and you hold her hands and you say honey I can't breathe I'm so scared we make way too much money I'm working so hard and I feel like you and I are fulling pulling further and further and further apart and I love you too much to be frustrated at you all the time CU I know that's hard to live with and I love you too much for us to pretend that we're all joyful and happy once a year at Christmas and we try to throw money at our friends and family instead of being a warm safe place for them to come land would you build something different with me that's a different conversation then honey look at my spreadsheet look at this if you just would do this then we could get out of this crap one of those she's going to go to her defense and that defense is probably way older than you and that's probably been there since she was a little kid and then you go to your defense cuz she starts bombing you back and it's different when you take ownership and say I want my wife and I want a family that um I want a unific a unified front here I want a unified vision of what we're going to do and I'm scared to death I'm going to lose you the irony is is that you think by acquiescing you're creating peace and you're not that's the irony the fire is burning in the basement and it is hot it's coals yeah and because this it's eating you up and she can feel that on you and then she goes about solving that feeling with the way that her body's been solving those feelings for her whole life spending spending and trying to make people feel good about themselves and showing people how great she's doing and that's different than y'all two building a life together yeah yeah and if you guys can't sit down work that through and start to say we need to develop a new vision for our future a different plan other than just spinning our Wheels feeling like a rat in a wheel I'm scared I can't do this this is killing me I cannot live in a situation where I make a quar million dollars a year and we have nothing that is just absurd to me my brain can't do it anymore my mind can't do it my psyche my spirit can't do it anymore so we've got to develop a plan for the future that we're both willing to work towards and I want to do that with you let's start fresh FR a reset not we've got to get on a budget some but will lead you by the way to a budget and it's not a spreadsheet budget it's an every dollar budget but it'll lead you to the two of you working together to implement the plan that you have agreed to together that both of you had a vote in I love starting those conversations with I'm sorry I'm sorry I've tried to control you the way I know to control a problem I've tried to solve you I've tried to fix you I'm sorry let me tell you the truth I'm scared to death and there's a different there's a different approach there someone can enter into your space that way instead of uh having to swing back at you it's tough hope that works for you brother and then pay that truck off in the next 20 minutes um or couple months and or sell it one of the two that's um because it's you know you went and bought a truck while she went and bought Christmas I think you yeah you showed her man I think you spent more so um there you go and the 850 is coming in whether you have a truck payment or not so that doesn't justify it

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Buying In This Crazy Housing Market? (Watch This)

[Music] what's up guys welcome back to another episode of real estate the Ramsey Way the housing market has uh seen some pretty weird times lately and while things aren't as crazy as they were just a couple of years ago it's still not a Walkin the park out there interest rates are up prices while steady are also high and there just aren't enough homes for sale bottom line is you really need to be informed on what's happening in the market and how it affects you so stick around and listen to my conversations with folks struggling with things like affordability and refinancing in this unusual Market Caitlyn joins us up next she's in Arizona Caitlyn welcome to the show hello how are you good how can we help today yeah I just had a quick question in regards to overcoming a negative mindset so I'm 29 I live out in Arizona I'm a single mom and as you know our housing market has been gelle intense to say at least um and I'm paying about 60% of my take-home paying rent I yeah I can't buy in this market I don't make enough I pulled down to about 40 last year um and I just feel like I'm spinning my wheels and that Treading Water feeling is really starting to get to me so I was hoping you could provide some insight on that if possible yeah I mean I I'll be honest Kaitlin I'm like I I would feel that too if if more than half the paycheck is going to housing that's a that's a big chunk so tell me uh a little bit more about kind of the situation because you are obviously in an a more expensive I don't know if it's an area or apartment or what it is is there other options for you to to change locations just to at least catch your breath and bring it down to at least you know we recommend 25 30% but even if it went down to 35% that would change your world right yeah um I live in a two-bedroom apartment right now um and I pay about 2,000 a month I had looked at going down to a one-bedroom the only trouble with that it was it would only Save Me Maybe 300 bucks a month but I actually work from home um so I need and I have my son here with me too so I don't know how we would make that work yeah no to B yeah yeah yeah I oh sorry I was going to just say have you have you driven you know 20 miles either direction of where you currently are just to see other prices uh right now I'm already kind of on the edge of um what I would consider to be a safe area um so I can look maybe a little bit deeper into Phoenix but I just want to make sure we're still safe and everything's good like that so um I I could I mean I I work remotely so I could probably Buy in other states and other markets but my son's father's here and I really just don't want to leave um my home state so for sure for sure understandable and how much do you make a year I pulled down about 40 uh last year okay what are you doing for work uh I work at a call center for an insurance company okay so there's there's only two ways we can go about this and we can we can spend less and we can make more so do you have any payments in your life that we can get rid of do you have any debt I don't have any debt um I do have that going for me I don't have any debt and I do um anticipate my income going up um actually I had a conversation yesterday with my supervisor that made me feel like maybe something close is on the horizon um for getting my my pay up um I think it's just this waiting period between uh making more money and trying to find something cheaper to to rent it's just it's mentally been draining me I think but um well especially as a single mom I mean you're you got your how old your how old's your son he just turned six his name is Mason I think he might be listening that's awesome hi that's awesome oh well you're doing an incredible job Caitlyn I mean you know the the hard thing is it's nothing that you're doing wrong it's just that the numbers are kind of stacked against you and so like George said you know an option of bringing in more I mean right now the job market is just insane and so I would push and look to see if you can even I mean 40 Grand you know you're you're you're doing fine but man people are paying just insane amounts of money right now for jobs and and since your is not like very specifically specialized you know what I mean like I feel like you could um do all sorts of things uh even with the experience that you've had in this insurance role um so you know I don't know if it's looking for something else or a different apartment but one of those two things really probably it needs to shift for your own sanity Caitlin you know what I mean like temporarily yeah to have the numbers work for you um is going to be a big deal do you have an emergency fund Caitlyn I do yeah okay three to six months in there uh I still have my baby one I have a a $11,000 emergency fund and then I have about 4,000 000 in my my actual uh emergency fund so I still need to build that up okay I think building that up may help with a little bit of that Financial Peace and anxiety about what if something happens if one check doesn't come in what are we going to do and if you get that in place then I'm going to start saving up for a house slowly and I know it's hard because there's not a lot of margin right now but that feels like it's the long-term goal and I'm hoping that all this craziness is not forever and so a year from now hopefully we're looking at a very different picture and you are work from home and so that does open you up but I know you've got to will stay close to home because of the uh situation with your son and so there's not a ton of options here other than let's look at the budget let's do a budget audit where can we save every single insurance premium every single expense I'm going through that with a fine Toth comb going how can I shave off 10 bucks 20 bucks 30 bucks yeah absolutely and then the income I mean the yeah income and apartment um situations would change too you know yeah but you're doing a great job kayin you really are you're doing a great job for for where you're at um incredible no debt you have savings I mean all of it you really are but that 60% it oh that that hurts me it's a tough situation and this inflation stuff I mean it's hitting people all over their pocketbooks from rent to gas to food and so there's just batting down the hatches and let's get to work let's get the second job if we have to Let's trim the subscriptions that we're not using right now and all the little luxuries that we once enjoyed might need to go away temporarily yeah for a season because they're saying you know I I read a report and they think in the next 18 months with just even the um the supply chain all of that but I'm like I mean the hard thing is after two years I've just learned who knows like who knows that's right I remember April of 2020 doing Instagram lives I did one like every other day just to answer questions and I I said I guys I think by August all this this will all be over it's all going to be over here we are so I'm not predicting anything but uh I think you just have to prepare with where we're at the reality of what's going on and what and what sucks is that that means cutting back some because the numbers everything is going up yeah and if you're single you don't have kids there's more options because we can go all right let's get you a roommate now it's more difficult when you have a family when you've got kids involved it's not that simple right but if you work from home that can open you up to a lot of options too you may not want to live on the outskirts of town but temporarily for a year if we have to sign that lease to go all right we can now breathe and still hit our other financial goals I'm okay with that and it's amazing what peace of mind even does right like we can talk about the numbers and the percentages and all of that all day long but there is just something to be said about when you do have margin it gives you a level of Peace like a level of like you can take a breath and sometimes it's worth s the things you never thought you would do I never would live this far from wherever right people make these claims and then when Life Starts hitting you and you think okay is it now I would rather live far farther away yeah and actually have peace of mind and margin and enjoy life a little bit more than everything just getting sucked out of the paycheck so much out of our control too and so I always like to go what is in my control so in Caitlyn's situation if I'm anyone listening right now I'm going all right let me make a list of ways I can make more and ways I can spend less I'm going to make a list of five things and I'm GNA go okay which one can I go do this week this month and just start trying things what can I sell on Facebook Marketplace that's been sitting in the closet for a while what is that second job I can take for a few months to just supplement my income temporarily yeah and so if you start doing all that and that's why I love the budget audit it's kind of a real nerdy thing but you go man I'm way overpaying for auto insurance let me connect with Xander and oh my gosh I just saved 100 bucks right there and you start doing that in all areas we've talked about this on your show Rachel with cable and internet and yeah how can we start shaving all this down our phone bills to where now we have 200 bucks a month yes in margin we can breathe a little bit and it's not easy I'm not trying to make it sound like it's just but it's the stuff that's the kind of the auto the autodraft the auto pay where you're just like oh and then you look up two years you're like wow I've never pushed on that or seen that you know what I mean and and doing that it does it gives you gives you some more margin yeah you got to advocate for yourself and get yourself in a better financial position and that's why our plan works in good times and bad I mean imagine if she had all these debt payments looming in her life y great work Caitlyn you done a great job good job Tanner's with us in Washington DC hi Tanner how are you I'm good how are you better than I deserve what's up so my question is I'm curious about the flexib of spending more than 30% of your takh home pay on rent found that pretty difficult to do especially in like an urban area like DC I live in downtown um I make around 990,000 a year post grad 23y old um I got about 20,000 in cash and 7,000 uh in an investment account and M myly debt is around seven 7 and a half th000 in student loans and I spend about $2,000 a month in rent which is my biggest expense expense by far but I still find myself able to save um and spend less on other things I'm just curious your take on on that approach okay well we tell folks to put 25% of their take home pay aside for housing and uh no math Works in every city and in every state you don't get a pass on math because you're in Washington DC even though Congress thinks you do I was getting ready to say a lot of people think they do yeah a lot of people in DC think you do but you don't and the the purpose behind it is not that 25% is Magic Tanner uh the purpose behind it is don't be house poor if you find yourself able to save and uh able to invest because you keep all other parts of your lifestyle so low then then you're okay but if you're you but what happens to most people is when they've got a high cost of housing in their budget it squeezes their budget and there's not room to uh save up to buy the next car so the next car becomes debt and there's not room to save up for for Christmas and Christmas becomes debt and there's not room to save up for a couch and the couch becomes debt and because it's all going out in house payment and so in effect what you did is you uh you you you didn't you know by by squeezing yourself you did that now you're telling me you've made room in your budget and you're doing okay then you know if whatever you want to do brother but here's the thing whatever you spend on rent is gone mhm I mean you're just setting fire to $100 bills in the middle of the floor and so the more $100 bills you burn in the middle of the floor the fewer M less money you got man I mean it's a pretty simple equation yeah yeah definitely definitely reduces the ability to buy down the road for sure yeah yeah I mean because you're giving it to them in rent and so I don't know how you fix that exactly necessarily in your situation maybe you're commute is longer maybe there's a roommate involved or uh or maybe you just say I'm going to it's going to cost cost me this and it's my choice and I'm an adult well yeah you're allowed to do all that but our reason to give you giving you the 25% guideline it's not a rule it's a guideline is so that you don't become house poor because if you're for instance going to get a mortgage folks in America um the stupid mortgage company will approve you for almost double that I mean they'll approve you close to 50% of your take home pay 36% of your uh ratio you know and so and that's not based on take home pay the 36 that you can get a house payment up close to half of your dadgum take home pay and there's just no way that budget Works people and well I'm in California well California they got to do math too even though your Governor doesn't think so you got to do math you know it's not it's not an option math is math and it's not it's not a a a moral construct it's a it's a math thing well to win Tanner in professional World Financial World you've got to sacrifice everybody who wins has to sacrifice something and what we've done here with this 25% you are now having to choose do you want to sacrifice money as Dave said by by burning those extra100 between the 5% that we're talking about or do you want to sacrifice a little bit of your time now you're live in downtown DC that's premium and I get it you may work on the hill who knows what you do but you're there for a reason but if you move out into the suburbs of Northern Virginia I know it well yes it's a it's a headache uh but we'd rather you sacrifice the right thing and that's why we put this I want people to understand what we're teaching here it's not to be hard and fast on a rule it's to help you learn what you need to sacrifice and in my situation if I were in your situation Tanner I would be sacrificing my time not my money yeah 23 years old yeah yeah you know I will tell you this Ken I did it worse than he's doing it sure worse yeah he's in good [ __ ] my wife and I get out of college and here's how stupid we were we go and rent a we we have two dogs we're just out of College we got two little jobs we go and rent a three-bedroom townhouse sure luxury right thing sure that's like five times what we needed MH because we thought it was cool do you remember what were in the extra rooms uh nothing sure cuz by the time we finished paying the freaking rent we had no money yeah yeah so what we ended up doing was moving into a little one-bedroom uh apartment and a questionable uh I don't know what those ladies down the hall were doing in a questionable situation and um you were hoping you weren't on a Vice episode man I'm telling you and uh we lived there for a year but it was one3 the rent that we were paying before onethird and so that'd be like you you had an $1,800 rent and we moved down to a $600 rent right you know kind of thing today in today's dollars it was a lot less than that and back when the dinosaurs roam the Earth but yeah but oh my gosh wow I did the exact same crap no I get it but I wanted something nice and I had a job and I'd gotten out of college and I'm I deserved it a lot of 23 year olds that are in a very similar situation to Tanner now just think about this if he gets a roommate and now he's saving let's just call it $1,000 a month okay splitting the rent he's paying off that student loan debt of $77,000 really really fast and now he's just stacking money that's cash stacking cash man so much the housing market isn't known for being easy to predict that's why it pays to have a pro in your corner who's earned the ramsy trusted Shield Ramsey trusted real estate agents are the top experts in their areas plus they have experiened navigating a changing market so don't step into the ring alone find a real estate agent you can trust at ramseys solutions.com SL agent or click in the show notes Debbie is with us in Detroit hi Debbie welcome to the ramsy show hi thanks for taking my call sure what's up um my husband and I made a huge mistake we moved into a house about uh two months ago and with the housing market being so crazy and lots of competition for homes we made a mistake of buying a house for more than we wanted to spend um we paid over list and appraisal and we're now in a house that um we just feel like we can't afford the mortgage payment um it also has a pool that is much more of an expense than we thought it would be the house um needs a lot of repairs and some things have come up in the last couple of months that we didn't realize were going to need to be repaired right away um so my question is should we plan on selling it or stay for at least two years um and then not have to worry about capital gains but if we sell it now um we would probably walk away with you know losing about 40 Grand there is no capital gain when you lose money right but on the odd chance if we if you broke even if you break even there's no capital gain capital gain would only occur if you made a profit right so it doesn't sound like that's a problem yeah but if if we sold it for what we bought it if we just broke even we'd probably lose about 40 Grand with closing costs and everything so what's your house payment um well that's the other thing too it's more than what we thought it would be with um the property taxes are going to be more than we had planned for so with property taxes and insurance it's about $2,300 a month and what's your monthly take-home pay in your household about 9,000 okay all right well you're slightly above what we would tell you but not a huge amount um it doesn't sound like this your your house payment's not 40% of your take-home pay um this sounds more emotional than mathematical okay just we feel like we've been bleeding money ever since we moved into the house because of the pool and the repairs that have been needed and what have you spent on repairs I'm sorry what have you spent on repairs um well with the pool it's been uh over $1,000 um with the repair we just had a garage door repaired that was over 700 we need what' you pay for the house um we paid 410 for it and you had $1,500 worth of repairs and you're panicking yeah well you make 100 you make $140,000 a year yeah well yeah yeah this is emotional it doesn't sound like you're bleeding out it feels like you got a little scrape on the knee but it's just a lot it sounds like it's more stress of just we're having to I think you were super impulsive and you did something that you wish you hadn't done and that's what's killing you the Math's not killing you okay I mean we should it's not ideal uh but um I I probably would just breathe a little bit here um okay you know I I okay here here's the thing the house payments not out of control the repairs are not $28,000 in one month they were 1,400 in one month and you make 140 there's nothing here that's causing red Sirens to go off and fireworks and panic in the numbers okay now I understand you have a deep sense of regret because you feel like you impulsed and overpaid uh but so I don't want to trade $1,400 repair and a house payment that's slightly over the margins we teach which are conservative for a $440,000 loss right well the other thing that I'm worried about too is um we moved with our jobs because now we can do our jobs from anywhere after coid and there is a chance that my salary could be decreased based on where we're living now well if that happens and you can't afford the house we can talk about selling it then but we don't sell a house on what might happen the house might get hit by a tornado too yeah but we're not going to sell it because it might right Debbie do you guys have any other debt other than this mortgage uh we do have a car payment um we owe about 12 Grand on a car we only have one car and then we um just from the move we've got about 6,000 on credit cards so it sounds like there's some other pieces to this puzzle that are causing this stress do you have an emergency fund um we have about 25,000 in savings okay right now I would write a check and pay off the credit card and cut it up and pay off the car a day right okay and you guys need to get on a budget you are not in control with your spending today's question comes from Jimmy in Kentucky my wife and I are on baby step three and would love to buy a home but we're nowhere near able to put down money on a house we are concerned that the market will continue to increase before we can get a down payment saved up can we use my VA loan to take advantage of the 0% payment down payment to get into a house sooner and refinance in three to five years Jimmy I'm going to say no I mean VA loans they're just it's just not it's not a great option I mean there's so much with the fees everything that that that is in that uh it makes it a difficult it's a difficult mortgage and between FHA VA and conventional it's the most expensive unless you are disabled if you're a fully disabled veteran then they wave a lot of the fees and stuff but it is not it's not a good deal for you and basically what you're doing is you're trying to find a way to game the system you know you want to scam the system and the system isn't broke and it means delayed pleasure and yes house prices are going to continue to go up they're not going to continue to go up like they have been the market has slowed down substantially that is not going to price you out of the market Jimmy what will price you out of the market is doing it dumb and moving into something when you're broke and you have no down payment and you're not ready to buy you're going to get in a problem you're you know that the the you know you're going to create friction here in your life it's not going to be fun and you're going to turn we want you to have a house we don't want the house to have you yeah and that's what ends up happening so much we talked about it on the show yesterday with George that you know your home it's such an emotional thing right it's like where your family is it's where you sleep at night it's where you do your meals I mean like it is it's such an emotional part of your life and so many people rush into that so it's it's an emotional part of your life and it's the most expensive part of your life it's usually the largest purchase you ever make and so because of that it's like you people make not wise decisions when it comes to their money with their houses because they just let their emotions get ahead of them whether it's fear whether it's long for something plus there's all these stupid people that are around you telling you all the time to buy something you got to buy house you got to buy house you got to buy house you got to buy house you can't be a renter you got to buy house every oh God oh God oh God you're going to get priced out okay okay and you know what is your Beautician and Economist the lady doing your NE Nails is not an economist oh my God you know so stop listening to these broke people with their craziness uh because I've heard that for 30 years yeah for 30 years I've heard I'm going to get priced out of the market and I can tell you real estate's considerably more expensive than when I started the show 30 years ago but but you know and it'll be more expensive 30 years from now when you're still doing the show so but the uh uh God willing the Greek don't rush but the you oh my gosh the uh uh that's but there's a lot of outside pressure family members and everybody else oh you had bought a house yet you've been married 26 seconds and you had bought a house oh my God and there's all this craziness out there well that and then on top of all the emotion of just the recent yeah real EST I mean all of it right so it's it's it's I don't know there's a lot going on 2020 was one of the highest increases in house prices in history yeah of all time I mean in in modern history and 29% it went up oh my that's unbelievable unprecedented as they say in the coid language but yeah oh my gosh yeah that's just crazy and so uh it scares a cred out of you but it's not it's not that's not going to be what happens going forward it's also not going to crash for those of you waiting on the prices to go down well let me but let's talk about this because I've been there's there's been so much I feel like even in the recent probably like week or two about the real estate market because there's I read an article this morning the Seven Cities where it continues to increase substantially right so there was so I read that and then There Are Places though that they're seeing you're seeing prices go down go down and so the important thing there is to remember that that still buyers or I'm sorry sellers some of them are still in the mindset of oh I can make yeah so much they're still looking for a sucker coming from another city so when you're seeing those prices I just want to know your thoughts on it is it going back to just true home value of what the what the house is really worth versus the inflated prices yeah and so when when do you know what your house is valued at like a true value after all the craziness of it going up so fast is it that you can you still run comps like do you know what I mean because going up so fast is a reality okay so the definition of market value for Real Estate when I was in appraisal class y a thousand years ago is still in college is still the definition and every real estate test you ever take to get your real estate license is when a willing buyer meets a willing seller and neither are under duress okay Webster I'm going to call youster well I mean so here's the deal so you have a buyer and a seller and neither one of them are freaking out okay the seller is not motivated by a divorce or a bankruptcy or something else okay okay the buyer is not over motivated because the last three houses they put offers in they didn't get and so the marketplace is so white hot that the buyer is under duress and so some of these buyers were paying above market value but their purchase does not enter into an appraisal that that property is not an actual indicator of value okay because the one of the parties was under duress yes you can't use a okay a foreclosure on your street does not affect the value of your house because one of the parties was under duress okay so that's not a value that's a price how are you so how people out there that are wanting to buy or like how do you run comps now because I'm like usually you just run comps if you run you run comps and if one of them sticks up and shows they all are going to stick up right maybe maybe I mean if you if everybody was a white hot buyer in the whole area then the value probably has gone up yeah because the marketplace was iness in that sense but if you got some one-offs like you know we we talked about during the thing I live in a neighborhood where uh like like almost all the houses that sold in it's a nice neighborhood uh sold recently were California people moving in with California equity and the Tennessee people are sitting there going I got I got a sucker on the hook here yeah they're going to way overpay because they can't get a house there's a shortage and so they're going to they're over paying substantially overvalue and and so enough of that happens then other people get greedy and they're like I didn't really want to sell my house but if I could sell it for that I'd sell it what the heck and and one of the guys I was playing golf with we talked about that during the streaming thing that we doing he goes I put mine on the market I put an extra 200,000 bucks on it looking for one of those California sucker fish I'm GNA hook me one you know and it didn't sell yeah and he said I haven't been able to hook one so the market has calmed down the market has calmed down and the migration from California or New York or wherever into these other uh markets you know Southeastern markets primarily is slowed down y but we've had a million plus people displaced from just California and New York yeah just those two states moved out into other markets and that it adversely affect what is a real value but real value should be based on a calm reasonable wise transaction by both parties yes and even that goes up 3 to 5% a year remember folks you never want to let the housing market control your housing decisions only your personal situation and finances should do that if you're prepared to buy or sell a home then it's a good time to do it even if the market is changing if you're not prepared then it's not a good time even if the market looks favorable and if that's the case it'll be worth the wait to get in a better financial position to do things the right way Trust me thanks for listening make sure to share this with the people in your life that are getting hung up on what's happening in the market and tune in to the next episode where we really get tactical about the steps it takes to purchase your next home

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How being “house poor” sets you back with money

you can get qualified for a loan that's 50% of your take-home pay and you can't even breathe you can get qualified for a loan that's 35% of your take-home pay easily easily and then you have trouble funding your car replacement fund your 401k your kids college fund because you become increasingly house poor over the scope of the next decade it's going to be very hard for you to avoid debt and prosper if your house payment eating up all of your income.

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I Divorced My Husband, Now I’m Financially Behind

[Music] foreign brought to you by the every dollar app start budgeting for free today Amy Is With Us in Springfield Illinois hi Cami welcome to the Ramsey Show hi hi what's up oh nothing I am recently divorced um Mama too and I just feel like I'm extremely defined financially and I just was looking for tips and advice on how I get out of my situation that I'm in currently um what what is his income your ex-husbands um he makes about 45 an hour but I do not take anything from him what do you make um I currently make 18 an hour and I'm a personal trainer but I am only training for like like six to eight hours a week I think we found your problem yeah no I know I've been applying to jobs um cannot seem to find one right now yes I know my issue is I don't have enough income um that's something that I'm working on but I didn't know I don't know I just don't know what to do are you only applying to be a personal trainer no I'm applying for all sorts of different positions um State positions City positions uh random places you know in town I'm applying all over the place it's just yeah why aren't you weren't you taking why isn't he paying child support I was born it doesn't matter state law says he pays child support yeah I know I just didn't want anything ahead of the rest of my life and I figured that I could do it on my own and I want to be able to do it I know that it was probably on looking at it now but I think that when I am finally successful and I am out of my position that I'm in currently when was the divorce final July July how have you lived since July on eight hours a week um I take I take shifts at the restaurant that I worked at there but I'm not scheduled I just take shifts as they come he works long hours and we split the kids 50 50.

um but unfortunately with his work schedule I have been the one that has had to take the kids on the night that he has to work late so me getting a full-time job for the longest time was out of the question because our babysitter actually got shut down for a little while um because she wasn't properly licensed and so yeah I have just been living on tax return um tips that I'm getting the problem is the problem is is that these priorities have gotten all backwards on you okay um all of these things you're throwing at me are solved when you tell them all to take a side seat because you have to work and you have money and when you have money because you're working now you find a different babysitter and you're not dealing with some jack Legg who's not even licensed and gets put on the street and shuts your whole operation down oh and by the way when he calls and says he has to work you say well I'm sorry you have the kids I'm working yeah I think so you don't revolve your life around all of these other people you set your life up and they revolve around you okay that's what's the problem do you feel guilty that you filed for divorce here um I don't feel guilty no but I just feel like any time that the kids are not going to be prepared to be careful by him I just feel like since I was a stay-at-home mom for so long that it's mine you're not a stay-at-home mom anymore you made a decision to be a career person now that's right and yeah what you're trying to do is to have it all at the same time with no pain that's what I mean you filed for divorce you left him for whatever reason you left him and you can't eat right and so you're gonna have to put your ego aside and possibly go back and say hey I need some child support so our babies have groceries well I'm trying to find a job that's ego talking right now he does have to pay me um 600 or 500 a month for six months we're currently on the month two of that um I am getting State assistance through um link and medical insurance that is not a good long-term plan not a plan no it is not no I do not know that plan is you working 40 to 50 hours a week making 25 or 30 dollars an hour and you can get back where you can eat but you have defined good mom as being there for everyone except making money and I'm redefining good mom as one who goes and makes some money to provide for her family because she's now a single mom redefine it a good mom is one now that works 45 or 50 hours a week and everyone else sits to the side while you do that they you figure it out because you cannot be at home with the children anymore right you don't have that option I'm sorry I wish you could but the decisions have been made that is now done and so they are the best way you can be there for them is go make some money not because money makes the world go around but it does buy food lights and shoes and you're struggling to do that right now right and you're scared yeah no it's it's a little bit uh scary but scary but I no it's on my own for yeah I lived on my own for a little bit while I was working full-time before the daycare got shut down and within my place was infested with mold so I had to move out and I'm currently living with my parents and um I do sell beef um I raise cattle on the side so I am Cami yes you need a job sorry you need a job I know quit explaining to me all the reasons you don't and working around the unlicensed daycare and working around the husband who ex-husband who still tells you when to jump and you jump all of this is a re are not good enough reasons you have got to get back to full-time employment for the good of your children your sanity yeah yeah you don't have a choice and once you decide that then the mold and the unlicensed daycare all these other things start to move away when you add three thousand dollars a month to this equation it changes the equation because money what it does is it gives you options it gives you power it's not the money itself that matters and I'm not all about money the room's all about money single mom called me is all about money now I want to feed her dad gum kids and get the stress off of her because she's scared to death but your your head's spinning and all you can do is just go into this Kaleidoscope of reasons and excuses rather than going and doing it and you have got to go do it girl and this is not the time Dave it's not the season for follow your dreams and I'm going to start the dream job and I'll show them this is not that time no no no no no anyone who will hire you I got to get a job that I can make the most money and be the most impactful and by the way often when families get divorced mom and dad think the greatest thing they can do for the kids is FaceTime let me tell you the greatest gift you can give your kids is a present stable non-anxious mom and dad and that means you got to be able to pay your bills you got to be able to eat if you're worried about your kids eating while you're sitting in the floor playing with them they're going to feel that tension and they're going to absorb it they're going to make it their fault yeah you can't do that to your kids exactly and give that to your kids yeah we we can't you know the best thing you can do for you and them is is go make a little money right now you don't need to go make 300 000 a year but you do need to go make 50.

Right now right now and there's people doing that and so um and so uh Hang on we're gonna give you a copy of Ken Coleman's book from paycheck to purpose and his other book The Proximity principle and as soon as they hit your mailbox I want you to sit down and read them and turn the stupid television off you don't need to have a TV on in your house at all right now yeah turn it off reading these two books and you need to be working call local school there's people are so desperate for teachers right now you've been a teacher as a trainer start thinking outside the box a little bit but call local schools and see if you can get in as a as a teacher yeah anything I mean targets hiring UPS we're coming into Christmas every retail out there is hiring at 25 an hour right now they can't get people and so you can get the hours and you can get the dollars coming in and but some of these people are just gonna have to line up in your life and stand to the side instead of you being the one that stands to the side every time that was the moral of the story we heard when you called us Cami so we love you and we want you to win kiddo and understand why you're scared but the chaos leaves when you rise up above it and start telling everybody where to dance instead of being the one told when to dance

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You’re Going To Lose Your Wife Over This!

[Music] foreign brought to you by the every dollar app start budgeting for free today okay welcome to the Ramsey Show hey good afternoon Ken and George thank you so much for taking my call well I got kind of uh a work life balance question for you and I'm wondering to try to get your input on it sure um basically I'm 43 I've worked multiple jobs my whole life up to three jobs my parents owned a local restaurant I cooked that for 10 plus years and I went to college and trade school worked in the automotive industry and when I graduated from high school I actually started and I currently owned and operate my own mobile DJ service so I worked three jobs gone seven days a week um me and my wife when we we got married we were high school sweethearts we got married we made the joint decision that she would be home and to raise our three boys which she had done and did a great job with well now uh like I said we're both 43 now she wants me home a little bit more and I'm finding myself struggling you know to try to find um mentally and adjust myself to to not work as hard or work as much as what I was doing um like I said we both own our own businesses she works part-time she pretty much picks her own hours um I'm gone pretty much all the weekends 43 weekends a year um why can't you hire some some young blood to go out there and travel for you well that's the problem I do I do have I do have another crew that goes with me to me it's not work it's a passion I love it okay so hold on seven days a week so so are you still working three jobs or just the one mobile DJ on the weekends and the 40-hour job during the week yep yep I'm a sales rep for a company okay in the Chicago area yep so what kind of money are you making as a mobile DJ how close to matching or uh uh over overcoming your current day job over I make more than what I do at my full-time job I make roughly 105 000 a year DJing I think about 93 with my sales job so you just begs the question why aren't you knocking the uh the uh 40 hour a week job off and more time with Mama and doing what you love on the weekends well health insurance that's the biggest one health insurance and I I I it's bad and my wife she says it too I'm I'm greedy you know why not make the money while I can You're Gonna Lose Your what you want to lose your wife and you're gonna lose your wife over this no I right and that's what she says to me she's like you know not too many wives would uh want their husbands gone as as much as you are but I have not missed out on any of our family functions we do have stuff the oldest is going to college EJ your wife wants you to slow down yes she may have been agreeable but I don't think she's going to continue to be agreeable and this isn't good for you and I'm going to suggest to you that there's more to it than greed I don't I think that's a I think that's a cheap excuse for you as to why you're working all the time and I'm not trying to put you on the spot I don't want to in any way um uh attack you and I there's something going on with you or you need to be busy all the time and you've got your wife crying out gently saying I want you here I want us to have more time together you've done a great job so far you got your kids out they're doing their thing you're financially great you've got this passion project which is spinning off more money than your day job and I think there's something that you're running from and I think the busier you are the less you have to listen to it am I right or am I wrong and I don't mind being wrong no you're yeah you're absolutely right I feel like I got to be doing something all the time I just can't like sit down and yeah but there's a reason there's a reason for that and you're you're and you need to you need to sit with a counselor and a therapist and let's and I'm not going to put you on the spot here but I'm telling you you're like the people who run all the time ultra marathoners they're running from something yeah they just are I'm not attacking I'm not no no listen some people are smiling in the booth listen I'm telling you if you're all the time like every spare minute of your day you're exercising or running it's because you're trying to stay ahead of something as opposed to meeting it head on and you've admitted this and your wife is crying out for you and you better listen and I'm just going to tell you you need to figure out why you want to be working all the time because that's not natural which means it's not healthy right nope you're absolutely right 100 right so TJ there's a few options here number one you drop the DJ stuff you choose the local gig spare and drop the DJ he loves that he loves it but what if he could do the local ones and hire the team out and he still makes some money off of that he can still choose yeah or you leave this full-time job you just DJ and that's what you do in your home all week with your wife and you're gone on the weekends get healthy but we can't continue doing all of this multiple jobs never at home and your wife wondering did I sign up to be single because the kids are gone now she's really feeling what she said dude that's a word for word of what exactly she said now we only have one of our of our sons is in college and we're casual in that so he's going to college debt free and we have two other Sons one's a junior in high school and the other is in eighth grade so we do have almost even more but it's even more important that you're in the home I misunderstood I thought all three were gone now it's even double important that you're there and don't get and don't play the whole I'm at all their sporting events doesn't matter if you're not around the house and you're not there you're setting a precedent and an example for your boys that it's okay to be checked out as long as you say you're working or you're busy and that couldn't be further from the truth and I listen I know that sounds tough it's not my heart's hurting for you and your wife I'm glad you admitted it I want you to go see accounts I'm going to challenge you you need to be in a couple therapy sessions before 30 days is up and begin to dive in deep as to what's got you running so fast what are you running from healing health everything's on the other side of that

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